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	<title>Comments on: Site owners beware: Gr-Ads.com/Grassroots Advertising are a CON !</title>
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		<title>By: Miqel</title>
		<link>http://www.culturedviews.com/site-owners-beware-gr-adscomgrassroots-advertising-are-a-con/2008/06/23/view.htm/comment-page-1#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Miqel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wendy,
Thanks to you too! I would never have found as much about them without the research I found here &amp; on Rose &amp; 1Earth&#039;s blogs!

Seems like their scheme is already having some problems ... bridgeofknowledge.org is down, with a note in the address bar that says &quot;Suspended&quot;  :)  I wonder if they got reported for spamming? 

I&#039;d love to read your new post about this topic when you finish, no problem if you link to my page and feel free to use any of the screen-captures I made of their sites and such. 

I&#039;m pretty sure i&#039;ve nailed them ... does it make sense to you? All the clues point to these SEO companies as being at the center of the operation.
Have a great weekend!
~ Miqel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wendy,<br />
Thanks to you too! I would never have found as much about them without the research I found here &amp; on Rose &amp; 1Earth&#8217;s blogs!</p>
<p>Seems like their scheme is already having some problems &#8230; bridgeofknowledge.org is down, with a note in the address bar that says &#8220;Suspended&#8221;  <img src='http://www.culturedviews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I wonder if they got reported for spamming? </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to read your new post about this topic when you finish, no problem if you link to my page and feel free to use any of the screen-captures I made of their sites and such. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure i&#8217;ve nailed them &#8230; does it make sense to you? All the clues point to these SEO companies as being at the center of the operation.<br />
Have a great weekend!<br />
~ Miqel</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Miqel!
Firstly thanks for your interest in what myself and other bloggers have been discussing regarding this matter and secondly &#039;good work&#039; in getting the dirt on them.

How they represent themselves initially makes them appear quite &#039;on the level&#039; until...

The character known as &#039;Kristen&#039; offered to pay me for links but when I checked out where the links led to I discovered some really very poor sites which no-one in their right mind would want to link out to - even for the ridiculous sum of money I was being offered.

The link-text offered was appalling and no way could any legitimate writer make a decent or credible post out of them. Really, really shoddy.

But it is very interesting what you have found. They know that people are now onto them too - knowing their IP I notice that they visit this site on a regular basis and always the posts relating to &#039;them&#039;. 

I read your article on your site and would like to write a post regarding what you have found - hope you do not mind if I link to it.

Thanks for getting in touch and great work!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Miqel!<br />
Firstly thanks for your interest in what myself and other bloggers have been discussing regarding this matter and secondly &#8216;good work&#8217; in getting the dirt on them.</p>
<p>How they represent themselves initially makes them appear quite &#8216;on the level&#8217; until&#8230;</p>
<p>The character known as &#8216;Kristen&#8217; offered to pay me for links but when I checked out where the links led to I discovered some really very poor sites which no-one in their right mind would want to link out to &#8211; even for the ridiculous sum of money I was being offered.</p>
<p>The link-text offered was appalling and no way could any legitimate writer make a decent or credible post out of them. Really, really shoddy.</p>
<p>But it is very interesting what you have found. They know that people are now onto them too &#8211; knowing their IP I notice that they visit this site on a regular basis and always the posts relating to &#8216;them&#8217;. </p>
<p>I read your article on your site and would like to write a post regarding what you have found &#8211; hope you do not mind if I link to it.</p>
<p>Thanks for getting in touch and great work!!</p>
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		<title>By: Miqel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miqel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wendy!
I&#039;ve been researching this scam for a week after being contacted by a &quot;Darcy&quot; from FirstDayAds.org about placing an ad on my site.

With the help of your blog &amp; the others posting on this topic, I believe i&#039;ve solved the puzzle of what is a 3-fold pagerank scam, found yet another &#039;clone&#039; site and identified those at the top of the pyramid and who they REALLY work for.

The short version is: the &#039;bottom level&#039; link finders recruit and pay you small amounts (using false identities &amp; untraceable companies)
to unknowingly help scam clients of the &#039;top level&#039; business by adding spammy paid-links
(padded with 2 other .gov and .edu links),
The SEO clients are assured they are getting transparent &amp; ethical &#039;organic&#039; linking services at a price of around $6000.00 ... or MORE, When in fact the SEO Companies I have identified are using shadow companies, deceptive marketing practices, fraudulent identities and bloggers to purchase the links for the purpose of spamming Google&#039;s PageRank system and lying to their SEO clients about how it&#039;s done. All the &#039;top level&#039; SEO companies are owned by Jim Boykin, who also owns the company the link payments come from and coaches sessions on paid-link baiting.

Here&#039;s a link to the full Autopsy:
http://miqel.com/internet_business_fraud/paid_links.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wendy!<br />
I&#8217;ve been researching this scam for a week after being contacted by a &#8220;Darcy&#8221; from FirstDayAds.org about placing an ad on my site.</p>
<p>With the help of your blog &amp; the others posting on this topic, I believe i&#8217;ve solved the puzzle of what is a 3-fold pagerank scam, found yet another &#8216;clone&#8217; site and identified those at the top of the pyramid and who they REALLY work for.</p>
<p>The short version is: the &#8216;bottom level&#8217; link finders recruit and pay you small amounts (using false identities &amp; untraceable companies)<br />
to unknowingly help scam clients of the &#8216;top level&#8217; business by adding spammy paid-links<br />
(padded with 2 other .gov and .edu links),<br />
The SEO clients are assured they are getting transparent &amp; ethical &#8216;organic&#8217; linking services at a price of around $6000.00 &#8230; or MORE, When in fact the SEO Companies I have identified are using shadow companies, deceptive marketing practices, fraudulent identities and bloggers to purchase the links for the purpose of spamming Google&#8217;s PageRank system and lying to their SEO clients about how it&#8217;s done. All the &#8216;top level&#8217; SEO companies are owned by Jim Boykin, who also owns the company the link payments come from and coaches sessions on paid-link baiting.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to the full Autopsy:<br />
<a href="http://miqel.com/internet_business_fraud/paid_links.html" rel="nofollow">http://miqel.com/internet_business_fraud/paid_links.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, that is one of their other sites - I listed them in another post. Don&#039;t keep writing to them though as that gives them your email address and these people would be the types to sell them off to other scammers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, that is one of their other sites &#8211; I listed them in another post. Don&#8217;t keep writing to them though as that gives them your email address and these people would be the types to sell them off to other scammers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i got the same thing from melinda hathaway at www.bridgeofknowledge.org
offering me $5 to review the links then $45 to put them up for the whole year

still awaiting for her response, i said if it was religious i didn&#039;t want anything to do with them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i got the same thing from melinda hathaway at <a href="http://www.bridgeofknowledge.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bridgeofknowledge.org</a><br />
offering me $5 to review the links then $45 to put them up for the whole year</p>
<p>still awaiting for her response, i said if it was religious i didn&#8217;t want anything to do with them!</p>
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