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Comments on: Can music be visual as well as aural? The Messiaen experience http://www.culturedviews.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm Sun, 03 Jul 2016 09:42:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.12 By: Phillip Wilcher http://www.culturedviews.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:11:32 +0000 http://www.britishbreakfasts.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm#comment-25 Wendy – I came across this quote from George Eliot’s “Daniel Deronda”
by way of Alan Walker which I’ll throw in here for good measure:

“A creative artist is no more a mere musician than a great statesman
is a mere politician. We are not ingenius puppets who live in a box
and look out on the world only gaping for amusement. We help to rule
the nations and make the age as much as any other public men. We count
ourselves on level benches with legislators. And a man who speaks
effectively through music is compelled to something more difficult than
parliamentary eloquence.”

In the novel, these words are spoken by the musician Klesmer, whose character
was apparently modelled on Franz Liszt.

By: Phillip Wilcher http://www.culturedviews.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm/comment-page-1#comment-24 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:08:43 +0000 http://www.britishbreakfasts.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm#comment-24 Exactly! I would say our sense of hearing is heightened. I sometimes
work in a darkened room. Some of the most subtle harmonies to ever be heard
in jazz come from George Shearing. Yes – both poetry and music have rhythm and
it is the rhythm of the words that make for a song. In setting a poem to music,
the poem becomes the teacher. Everything is in the words.Without the words there
can be no song.They also have a texture. You
are correct, absolutely! Poetry too can be music. I think poets do realize just
how much they have in common with composers. I think it was Paul Valery who said
setting poetry to music is like looking at a painting through a stained glass window.

By: author http://www.culturedviews.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm/comment-page-1#comment-20 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:55:28 +0000 http://www.britishbreakfasts.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm#comment-20 ‘In Search of Genius’…sounds like food that my brain desperately needs. Thankyou for that recommendation Phillip, I will be scooting off to Amazon and Google as soon as I am finished here! Music and poetry; they certainly deserve a place beside each other. Consider those who do not have the gift of sight. Can one appreciate a Dali or Picasso without it?
But poetry and music; all one needs is the ability to hear and visualise plus a ‘messenger’ to deliver such. Why do we close our eyes when listening to an exquisite passage of music? I know I do. Because without external stimuli the senses are heightened and are so much more receptive. Poetry…my own grandmother lost her sight in her final years and her greatest pleasure was to have me read her the poems of authors such as Auden, Pope and Blake. She always said that without her sight she was so much more receptive to what the poet was saying. And I understand that so clearly. Music, to her, became so much more a sensory thing after she became blind.
I believe that a sixth sense is what she experienced.
One method I always used when memorising a piece of music was to approach it as one would a poem…both have a type of rhythm, a start, a body and an ending. Cadences exist in poetry as well as music…just in a different form. I wonder if poets realise just how much they have in common with composers of music?

By: Phillip Wilcher http://www.culturedviews.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm/comment-page-1#comment-23 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:08:14 +0000 http://www.britishbreakfasts.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm#comment-23 “Objectives, hopes and dreams” – these are wonderful things.
Way leads on to way. I agree with you and I applaud your
passion to inspire thought and feeling.Have you read
William Fifield’s book “In Search of Genius”? Essentially
it’s transripts of discussion he had with artists on the act
of creativity and that “sixth sense”. Those artists and writers
interviewed include Picasso, Jean Cocteau, Jean Giono, Robert Graves,
Dali, even Marcel Marceau. The book is enlightening and thought
provoking and quite the contagion. Strangely, no musicians/composers
feature in it. I have often wondered why when music, of all the
arts is perhaps the most transient since it is an inhabitant of
time. I have always felt it’s closest genre to be poetry, not painting.
If you don’t know the book, search it out – it tells of the techniques at
work in each, and the charms of the working….

By: Phillip Wilcher http://www.culturedviews.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm/comment-page-1#comment-18 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:43:27 +0000 http://www.britishbreakfasts.com/can-music-be-visual-as-well-as-aural-the-messiaen-experience/2008/01/28/view.htm#comment-18 You’ve triggered the thoughts dear Wendy!
Delacroix once said of progress that all
things return to the natural point of
departure before moving forward. I understand
this. Everything is cyclical.I think too it is
what T.S Elliot was saying in the above quote.
I have been very very fortunate to have people
far greater than myself believe in me. They have
helped shape who I am. Creativity is such an
abiding joy and the strengths to be gained from
that “journey within” are manifold. I’m thoroughly
blessed. Aside from the meaning of life being to seek
life’s meaning, it is also to seek and know one’s
self…”to arrive where we started and know the place for
the first time. I believe in our young folk, and so it is
I am back where I started – at a place where I “feel”
belief again, as of yore, but where then the belief was
in me, I now want to give back to others that very same
belief that was extended me and to encourage young folk never to give up on
their hopes and their dreams and always to believe that there
is no such thing as failure. As you have said: “In that, ‘response’
surely completes this concept. I am not sure if I am making sense
here but what matters to me more than anything, more than the language
of desire and discipline, is the desire and discipline itself. What
matters to me is that striving forward to truthfully write one’s own
chapter in this time called “life”, to leave a mrak in the world that
is innately “you”. To believe…..